@sicklesickle well there’s a difference between protecting liberties and making people happy. Did you know in California that 62% of people are dependent on the government? Guess who pays for it… The minority. Tax the rich till they ain’t rich no more, then who can we take money from?
@nnlamb25 It doesn’t have to do “everything” for us, that’s a straw-man argument you created. Basic needs are all it must do. Needs such as sanitation, defense, basic medical care, neighborhood protection, infrastructure building/repair, regulating the excesses of industry fraud and malpractice, and other matters. There is a middle ground between ungoverned wilderness and all-encroaching communism. It’s called good governance. Who DEFENDS your “liberties?” The government that wrote them down.
@sicklesickle interesting philosophy… how does this change anything? If you took someone from 100 years ago and showed them what was happening today they would call it radical socialism. Why must the government do everything for us?
@UnbreakableUSMC Obama soft in the polls? Maybe compared to himself, a couple years ago. Soft in the polls compared to Republicans? Dream on. When the top contender is a birther clown named Donald Trump, you know Obama is going to coast to reelection. As a liberal, the only hope is to primary him with someone who is actually liberal. You… There is no hope. Let’s put it on the record that the incumbent president Obama remains so after 2012. There are just no other mainstream Republican options.
@nnlamb25 Negative. Many of the founders (not all) may have been Christian, but they certainly were not fundamentalists. Some stripe of Christianity would be in the first amendment. We would have our own “Church of America.” Infact fundamentalism is a new phenomenon in this country. Previously, when most all of America believed, there was NO NEED for radicalism, nobody felt their faith THREATENED. Now, radicalism and fundamentalism are a backlash against the secular modern world and science…
@sicklesickle COnservatives? You probably think Bush is a christian conservative too right? Lol their neo-conservatives not even real conservative, they don’t support the constitution to the letter like Ron Paul does!
Governor Mitt Romney is a RINO. He supports stringent gun laws. His Massachusetts Health care overhaul pales in comparison to the atrocity of Obamacare, but it was similar. He has never expressed public regret for this. He told Michigan residents at an event there that the financial services bailout was absolutely necessary. He stated you said that the Republican Party needs to pass “immigration reform” (amnesty) in order to attract new voters.
I am a Republican but frankly speaking – there is no way Mitt Romney can beat this Obama guy.
A stiff, rich, flip-flop, white male who thinks he’s better than god will not do. Attacking the president who appears busy to fight back doesnt mean Romney can beat him. We gotta find a better candidate.
Agree. Romney is a Political Robot, with no feelings, soul, or emotion. He doesnt give a fuck about me you, democrats or republicans. His goal is only 1 thing. To benefit himself.
Well if I decided to donate money to Romney, I wouldn’t want him to share money with anyone else you retard. If he decides to help out other candidates’ campaigns then more power to him. That has nothing to do with me. You’re a douche bag you communist fag.
LOL! I agree. The ONLY leadership the GOP has today is Nitt-Witt-Mitt Romney & he’s personally flipped-flopped on so MANY hard-core conservative issues, he can’t stand on his own 2 feet anymore. Jindal & Failin have proven themselves to be a national joke & dumber-than-diarrhea, while Rush has taken so much Oxy-Contin, it’s eaten away ALL his brain.
It’s GREAT knowing RepubliCONs have gone into exile & have ALL slithered back to the FLDS Compound where they originally came from. ~Ban Coulter
Now, to directly answer this question, I dont personally know, because I don’t feel like reading the dozen or so papers on the subject. Furthermore, its OK to Not know something. Just because we don’t know exactly how the process occurred doesn’t mean we don’t have evidence or a hypothesis.
Furthermore, the problem most of you types who believe in Irreducible Complexity is that you don’t seem to understand that you can use different parts for different things. Ken miller’s rebuttal to the Mousetrap illustrated that without several parts, it no longer functions as a mouse trap, but it serves well as a tie clip.
“Evolution can’t produce that.”
Behe accepts common ancestry, and nothing has ever shown to be irreducibly complex.
Hahahah! Irreducibly complex? My god, you’re just repeating Behe word for word aren’t you?
In some systems, a pathway called the glyoxylate shunt exists, which consists of a shortcut /across/ the cycle. Other variant pathways exist. So, rather than being a minimal design fixed in stone, the Krebs is one of several alternatives.
Determination of the complete DNA sequence of the bacterium Haemophilus influenzae confirmed that it is completely missing genes for several steps in the Krebs cycle.
@sicklesickle well there’s a difference between protecting liberties and making people happy. Did you know in California that 62% of people are dependent on the government? Guess who pays for it… The minority. Tax the rich till they ain’t rich no more, then who can we take money from?
@nnlamb25 It doesn’t have to do “everything” for us, that’s a straw-man argument you created. Basic needs are all it must do. Needs such as sanitation, defense, basic medical care, neighborhood protection, infrastructure building/repair, regulating the excesses of industry fraud and malpractice, and other matters. There is a middle ground between ungoverned wilderness and all-encroaching communism. It’s called good governance. Who DEFENDS your “liberties?” The government that wrote them down.
@sicklesickle interesting philosophy… how does this change anything? If you took someone from 100 years ago and showed them what was happening today they would call it radical socialism. Why must the government do everything for us?
MUTE ROMNEY is a CORNBALL …Please don’t give him any more mention in the media! It’s a WASTE!
@UnbreakableUSMC Obama soft in the polls? Maybe compared to himself, a couple years ago. Soft in the polls compared to Republicans? Dream on. When the top contender is a birther clown named Donald Trump, you know Obama is going to coast to reelection. As a liberal, the only hope is to primary him with someone who is actually liberal. You… There is no hope. Let’s put it on the record that the incumbent president Obama remains so after 2012. There are just no other mainstream Republican options.
@nnlamb25 Negative. Many of the founders (not all) may have been Christian, but they certainly were not fundamentalists. Some stripe of Christianity would be in the first amendment. We would have our own “Church of America.” Infact fundamentalism is a new phenomenon in this country. Previously, when most all of America believed, there was NO NEED for radicalism, nobody felt their faith THREATENED. Now, radicalism and fundamentalism are a backlash against the secular modern world and science…
@sicklesickle so weve been running down the country since… it started 250 years ago?
@sicklesickle COnservatives? You probably think Bush is a christian conservative too right? Lol their neo-conservatives not even real conservative, they don’t support the constitution to the letter like Ron Paul does!
Watch what you say …he could save your job!
Governor Mitt Romney is a RINO. He supports stringent gun laws. His Massachusetts Health care overhaul pales in comparison to the atrocity of Obamacare, but it was similar. He has never expressed public regret for this. He told Michigan residents at an event there that the financial services bailout was absolutely necessary. He stated you said that the Republican Party needs to pass “immigration reform” (amnesty) in order to attract new voters.
@sicklesickle Well considering that Obama is soft in the polls right now, a republican victory n 2012 is very possible
I am a Republican but frankly speaking – there is no way Mitt Romney can beat this Obama guy.
A stiff, rich, flip-flop, white male who thinks he’s better than god will not do. Attacking the president who appears busy to fight back doesnt mean Romney can beat him. We gotta find a better candidate.
Romney/Brown 2012!!!!
Agree. Romney is a Political Robot, with no feelings, soul, or emotion. He doesnt give a fuck about me you, democrats or republicans. His goal is only 1 thing. To benefit himself.
Well if I decided to donate money to Romney, I wouldn’t want him to share money with anyone else you retard. If he decides to help out other candidates’ campaigns then more power to him. That has nothing to do with me. You’re a douche bag you communist fag.
this guy is such a douche bag. seriously he’s never funny. that’s why he films out of his basement.
why are you in our country? leave, go back to Turkey. nobody wants you people here.
Romney is a fucking robot. He’s probably the most obvious politician that you know will screw you.
LOL! I agree. The ONLY leadership the GOP has today is Nitt-Witt-Mitt Romney & he’s personally flipped-flopped on so MANY hard-core conservative issues, he can’t stand on his own 2 feet anymore. Jindal & Failin have proven themselves to be a national joke & dumber-than-diarrhea, while Rush has taken so much Oxy-Contin, it’s eaten away ALL his brain.
It’s GREAT knowing RepubliCONs have gone into exile & have ALL slithered back to the FLDS Compound where they originally came from. ~Ban Coulter
Republicans today probably need a lot of money to even run unopposed.
You have to give Romney credit. A Mormon outsmarted gullible republicans to contribute to his 2012 campaign. Serves the fuckers right.
Any other failed examples of Irreducible Complexity you can think of? Bacterial Flagellum? The Evolution of Sexual Reproduction?
I’d be happy to get you started on a real biology education.
What are you, Youung-Earth Creationist?
“Tell me how the Krebs Cycle came to be then.”
Now, to directly answer this question, I dont personally know, because I don’t feel like reading the dozen or so papers on the subject. Furthermore, its OK to Not know something. Just because we don’t know exactly how the process occurred doesn’t mean we don’t have evidence or a hypothesis.
Furthermore, the problem most of you types who believe in Irreducible Complexity is that you don’t seem to understand that you can use different parts for different things. Ken miller’s rebuttal to the Mousetrap illustrated that without several parts, it no longer functions as a mouse trap, but it serves well as a tie clip.
“Evolution can’t produce that.”
Behe accepts common ancestry, and nothing has ever shown to be irreducibly complex.
Hahahah! Irreducibly complex? My god, you’re just repeating Behe word for word aren’t you?
In some systems, a pathway called the glyoxylate shunt exists, which consists of a shortcut /across/ the cycle. Other variant pathways exist. So, rather than being a minimal design fixed in stone, the Krebs is one of several alternatives.
Determination of the complete DNA sequence of the bacterium Haemophilus influenzae confirmed that it is completely missing genes for several steps in the Krebs cycle.